TOPIC: 2024 Year End Treasure Stats

Seems like most people have received their V27 - Grunnel's Holiday Special 2 treasure, so I think it's safe to do some year end stats.
You can find the Full Year Summary in Google Sheets.

You can also find your Personal Totals there as well

For those who don't want to look at the sheet, some quick, high level numbers:
* Rare: 41.5% of treasure
* Uncommon: 38.2% of treasure
* Monster trophies: 8.1% of treasure
* 50 GP Idols: 6.3% of treasure
* Other tokens: 5.9% of treasure

Now, some deeper analysis.

50 GP Idols had about 33% of the drop rate of Stalker tokens (6.3% vs. 18%). But, they had about twice the drop rate of the tinker bits for the Totem of Heroism (3% drop rate).

Rare tokens and monster trophies remained stable vs. 2023. It seems like the increase in Other tokens and Uncommons account for the difference between the Stalker and 50 GP idol drop rates.

This doesn't mean there were a bunch more high end tokens dropped though. The reintroduced treasure box rares, viz. charms and beads, accounted for 41.3% of the "Other" category. Excluding those tokens shows that 3.3% of tokens were traditional "special" tokens. Excluding the preorder bonus (Averon's Cherry Ale) gets us to just about 3% special tokens - same as 2023!

Speaking of special tokens, roughly 2% or all pulls were "under ultra rare", which includes 3* and 4* transmutes, trade goods, etc. 1% of all pulls could be considered "ultra rare or above" - including Marks of the 3rd Tenet, Rings of the 3rd Circle, relics, legendaries and 25k Eldritch bards. No one reported a Path to Enlightenment - these are likely not in treasure. All these numbers are roughly in line with 2023.

Ultra rare drop rates seemed steady at about .55% - 1 in 200-ish. Legendaries kept steady at .05% - 1 in 2000. Relics were reported as a bit less common (.17% vs .19%), but reported numbers were small and could easily skew the data. My hypothesis is that the target drop rate for relics is .2%, or 1 in 500 pulls.

Silver Ship Outpost Nil seemed less common than last year - 1 in 500 vs. 1 in 400. Again, though, numbers these small could easily skew the data.

4* tokens seemed more common than 3* again. I'm wondering if TPTB just calculate 3* and 4* as a whole for the ratio, including silver ships. This would give a 1% drop rate, or 1 in 100.

That would actually make a very nice progression for odds: Light blue tokens = 100:1; UR 200:1, Relic 500:1, Legendary 2000:1.

Trade goods may also fall into 100:1 rate. Taken by themselves
*42% are Trade 1
* 21.9% are 1,000GP Bars
* 18.7% are 10x trade goods
* 12.7% are Trade 2
* 3% are 5,000 GP bars
* 1.7% are Golden Fleece.

This is pretty significantly different than 2023. More common: 1k GP bars, 10x trade goods (as in, they're in this year). Less common: everything else. Fleece especially is way, way down (1.7% vs. 9.05%).

Hope this is interesting to someo of you!

Thanks for the analysis! I'm curious, what are reintroduced treasure box rares? Is that rares from previous years?

That was the two rares that were unique to the treasure box. Charm of Scirocco and Bead of the Ram for 2024. They are listed as Treasure Chest Only as the source in the tokendb.

Love the analysis, but pretty much just confirms what I already knew. My luck was pretty stinky in 2024. Yeah, I had some very nice pulls, so it's hard to complain. But my percentages don't line up with the average. My UR+ pulls were 0.41%. My UR rate was 0.21%. Even my Idol rate was only 5.5%.

But then again, things usually balance out in the long run. I've had some very good treasure years. 2023 was a pretty good year. Here's hoping things bounce back in 2025.

21 Legendaries a year is way too many IMO. Makes them un-Legendary. So are 68 Relic's and a whopping 240 UR's. And this is just what's being reported. I highly doubt there were 20+ Legendaries given out back in the day when there wasn't VTD. Just helps keep the Token market depressed without an expanding player base.

Far more than 21 legendaries were pulled. Most people don't report their draws.

Once upon a time, uncommons and rares mattered. They don't anymore.

Once upon a time, ultrarares were a big deal. They aren't anymore.

It's just the nature of inflation. Relics are much more like what URs used to be. Legendaries are maybe not like relics of the past, but they are not unusual in people's builds.

And, thus, we get new rarities, like Safeholds, for people to chase.

Rob F wrote: 21 Legendaries a year is way too many IMO. Makes them un-Legendary. So are 68 Relic's and a whopping 240 UR's. And this is just what's being reported. I highly doubt there were 20+ Legendaries given out back in the day when there wasn't VTD. Just helps keep the Token market depressed without an expanding player base.

Rob, I agree completely, I think nearly all URs/Relics/Legendaries should be pulled from the treasure boxes. I think there would be a lot more demand for URs in token purchases, and Relics/Legendaries from transmuting, if there weren't so many coming from treasure boxes. They could be replaced with Treasure box unique tokens.

I like the idea of pulling all the high end stuff out of treasure. That should sufficiently devalue TEs that maybe they don’t end up in every build

Only if we also drop ticket prices

Oh, sorry, I thought we were making wishes...

Rob F wrote: 21 Legendaries a year is way too many IMO. Makes them un-Legendary. So are 68 Relic's and a whopping 240 UR's. And this is just what's being reported. I highly doubt there were 20+ Legendaries given out back in the day when there wasn't VTD. Just helps keep the Token market depressed without an expanding player base.

Rob,
It seems like you get upset every time someone pulls something from treasure that you personally feel they don't deserve. Be it relics, patron tokens, or legendries. Which is an odd position for someone who proclaims that they only play with rares. You could be excited for other people pulling something nice, but instead you get upset about it. What other people pull from treasure has no effect on how you play the game, so why do you care so much?

Grizwald wrote:

Rob F wrote: 21 Legendaries a year is way too many IMO. Makes them un-Legendary. So are 68 Relic's and a whopping 240 UR's. And this is just what's being reported. I highly doubt there were 20+ Legendaries given out back in the day when there wasn't VTD. Just helps keep the Token market depressed without an expanding player base.

Rob,
It seems like you get upset every time someone pulls something from treasure that you personally feel they don't deserve. Be it relics, patron tokens, or legendries. Which is an odd position for someone who proclaims that they only play with rares. You could be excited for other people pulling something nice, but instead you get upset about it. What other people pull from treasure has no effect on how you play the game, so why do you care so much?

What other people pull from treasure does not affect HOW I play the game but it affects THE game itself. As I see it TD's two primary revenue streams are Token sales and ticket sales. More high end loot in treasure boxes devalues Tokens which is bad business for TD. Worthless Tokens means less Token sales for TD. No one is going to purchase $X amount of Tokens from TD if what they buy is worth a lot less than $X. And if Token revenue slows the only way for TD to increase revenue will be to raise ticket prices which does affect me.

Quick update all: Personal totals were borked last night. Thanks to Grizwald for doing a sanity check on the data so I could comb through and fix things. Personal totals should be good to go now!