TOPIC: 2026 Set Bonuses

FYI...

Dawn Set: +1 to saves with 3-4 equipped, and +2 to saves if 5+ equipped.

3 Accursed Set: takes away all the penalties to Will saves that come with any Accursed item.

3 Triad Set: +1 to level or +2 to stat of choice

Arcanum Set:
2 piece set power: +1 level, +4 HP, +1 to AC & saves, you may equip +1 figurine of power
Additional pieces: +2 to max HP and +1 to AC & saves for each additional piece

With Bead of the Lucky Traveler pushed out of many builds, Free Movement is much less prevalent in my play. Even if players switch to bead slot expansion, there are an insane number of power beads at this point that Lucky Traveler is an iffy choice.

For Triad bonus, I think it's far more elegant if it gives +1 level and Free Movement. Less complicated, gives something the likes of Defender set gives so not weird for armor. More of a differentiator between Triad builds and non-Triad builds.

I suspect app coders will find "+6 to Will saves" easier to code than "Negates will penalties of Accursed Set items" as the accursed set bonus.

Of course - if in the future there will be more accursed set items that might end up being a different end result.

Free movement is a token choice. Other token provide it. Folks just want their cake and to eat it to.

Ian Lee wrote: With Bead of the Lucky Traveler pushed out of many builds, Free Movement is much less prevalent in my play. Even if players switch to bead slot expansion, there are an insane number of power beads at this point that Lucky Traveler is an iffy choice.

For Triad bonus, I think it's far more elegant if it gives +1 level and Free Movement. Less complicated, gives something the likes of Defender set gives so not weird for armor. More of a differentiator between Triad builds and non-Triad builds.

I really like the idea of a UR version of a the defender’s set!

Ian Lee wrote: For Triad bonus, I think it's far more elegant if it gives +1 level and Free Movement. Less complicated, gives something the likes of Defender set gives so not weird for armor. More of a differentiator between Triad builds and non-Triad builds.

I agree with this 100%.

Problem statement with the current triad set bonus:
Triad set is the first set to add choice to a set bonus. This will require coding changes in App / Website / Whatever to allow choice.

Possible Solution
Change the set bonus to +1 level AND something else. Now the set bonus follows all the other set bonuses.

The suggestion for free action
This is an excellent one because the allowed classes overlap what has to be one of the most popular rare sets in the game - the Defenders set. This makes for a very graceful and direct upgrade from defender to UR. You pickup some extra AC, some extra Saves, and you would keep Free Action allowing an easier justification to spend the money to upgrade.

Matthew Hayward wrote: I suspect app coders will find "+6 to Will saves" easier to code than "Negates will penalties of Accursed Set items" as the accursed set bonus.

Of course - if in the future there will be more accursed set items that might end up being a different end result.

+1

Thanks for the feedback. Good points made. How about these?

Dawn Set: +1 to saves with 3-4 equipped, and +2 to saves if 5+ equipped.

3 Accursed Set: +6 to Will saves

3 Triad Set: +1 to level & Free Movement

Arcanum Set:
2 piece set power: +1 level, +4 HP, +1 to AC & saves, you may equip +1 figurine of power
Additional pieces: +2 to max HP and +1 to AC & saves for each additional piece

Jeff, those all look great, thanks!

This post lays out possible problems with the Arcanum set from a perspective of the Ring of the Sacred Circle:

truedungeon.com/forum?view=topic&defaultmenu=141&catid=762&id=258421&start=0#464892

From a pure set perspective, there is probably too much going on with the Arcanum set bonus.

Arcanum Set Bonus Problem Statement
The set bonuses are very high powered, which when combined with using lots of powerful arcanum pieces, will create a gulf between the Haves and Have Nots. As someone who often plays in mixed groups of different rarity, this will make it even harder for us to use our fancy tokens while also including others that don't have as many fancy tokens.

Said another way, The set is going to be made up of very high power individual pieces, meaning as many people as possible are going to want to add them to their builds, regardless of set power. A high powered set bonus is unnecessary to encourage people to equip the components.

Arcanum Set Ramifications
We are trending toward a 4 piece arcanum set right now - Ring, Shirt, Greaves, Books, and more may come in the future. That means someone who uses the 4 very powerful individual pieces will also get:

+1 level
+8 hp
+4 AC
+4 All Saves
+1 FoP

That is a lot of power (multiple relic items) obtained at no slot cost.

Arcanum Set Suggestions
Pick 1 scalable feature that you like and use it for the set progression, and include 1 non scalable piece. For example, maybe pick +1 level and 4hp at 2 piece set, then just add HP for the additional pieces. People will still add arcanum pieces due to the power of the individual pieces

Alternative suggestion
Keep the Arcanum set bonuses as they are, and reduce the power of the Ring of the Sacred Circle and the Greaves. Either way you get to a more balanced endpoint.

The bonuses look alright to me.

Considering the Arcanum tokens have recipes that include 18 Ultra Rares that have to be obtained over more than a decade, the power level of both the items and the set seem appropriate.